[0:01]So after Pop Star, I moved on to this
[0:03]project. I was still working with the
[0:06]same clients.
[0:08]Uh their primary business at the time
[0:10]was they owned thousands of premium
[0:12]domain names
[0:14]and they would work with other
[0:15]freelancers to create properties on
[0:17]those.
[0:19]That's how my relationship with them
[0:21]started with Popstar.
[0:23]Uh they also own USA.com, London, Asia,
[0:27]Paris, Berlin, just a whole bunch of
[0:32]geographical domain names that just had
[0:35]value in their names alone. And we were
[0:38]building a platform on those. We started
[0:39]with Hotel.net and then we expanded it
[0:41]to other ones. Um on this screen here,
[0:44]I've got one of those tabs is usa.com,
[0:47]but we put it on a number of different
[0:49]properties.
[0:52]This project
[0:54]had very long longtail SEO and SEM.
[1:00]This one we had a massive ad groups
[1:04]campaign for
[1:07]for every city
[1:09]in this database.
[1:12]we likely we had an ad group for it
[1:15]and we would algorithmic algorithmically
[1:18]adjust those um based on how they were
[1:22]performing. So some of them maybe would
[1:24]have turned off over time but we would
[1:26]have started with the entire world.
[1:29]We were spending an average of $100,000
[1:31]a month
[1:33]and we were profitable
[1:36]for several years until the market
[1:39]became a lot more saturated.
[1:42]Uh Google entered the market, they
[1:43]started actually eating their own
[1:45]traffic because you know we were paying
[1:47]for ads on their platform but they were
[1:49]still putting their own widget above our
[1:52]our ads and it just became a very
[1:56]difficult
[1:59]Um,
[2:02]we didn't have an easy way to pivot.
[2:05]I had thoughts and ideas about it back
[2:08]then, uh, that just weren't shared. So,
[2:12]the platform was just
[2:15]I feel like I felt like at the time
[2:20]didn't have any support. It was just
[2:21]myself doing this. That seems to often
[2:24]be the case.
[2:26]And not all my suggestions were taken
[2:30]cuz I actually did see that this was the
[2:33]trajectory of the market and I I would
[2:35]have headed it off if I could have.
[2:40]I hope that doesn't sound like um
[2:46]like I'm refraraming history or
[2:48]something like that.
[2:50]really truly back then I knew that we
[2:54]could not just rely on SEM traffic that
[2:57]that was just just waiting to be a death
[3:00]now. Um but I could never really
[3:02]convince my partners on this project
[3:04]that we needed to expand in different
[3:06]ways and one of the biggest ways that I
[3:08]wanted to expand at the time I think was
[3:10]through like a content um kind of
[3:13]program like what I did with Pop Star.
[3:15]we we had writers who were, you know,
[3:17]writing in the travel vertical and
[3:19]trying to build a community around it.
[3:23]I just didn't have the support for that.
[3:25]So, we wrote out the wave and just let
[3:28]it die naturally.
[3:31]So, on this project, um, let me go
[3:34]through my slides here. Definitely get a
[3:36]little off track probably.
[3:40]So, yeah, the first thing I had to do
[3:42]was build a geography database. Uh the
[3:45]website itself is powered by the same
[3:48]content management system as Pop Star
[3:50]was matrix server, the one that I had
[3:51]been working on since I was a teenager.
[3:54]Uh as a freelancer, you know, you rely
[3:56]on your own your own tool set and that
[3:59]was mine. I could do pretty much
[4:02]anything with it.
[4:04]This was preframework. There was no
[4:06]Laravel yet or anything like that. I had
[4:09]essentially built my own. And for this
[4:12]geography database, I largely used a API
[4:15]from Yahoo at the time. Don't remember
[4:17]what it was called, but it was it was
[4:20]the best one. I had tried many many
[4:22]approaches and ended up on their API. I
[4:24]really liked it. And I used that to
[4:28]populate the entire database.
[4:31]Um,
[4:34]then I had to normalize the data. There
[4:36]was a there were there was a lot of work
[4:38]involved in getting this geography
[4:39]database right. There's a reason why
[4:41]even today probably there are places you
[4:43]can just buy a geography database. Um,
[4:48]don't ask me why we didn't do that. I
[4:50]just I think I probably wanted to do
[4:52]this myself. Like I just wanted it done
[4:54]right or something. So So you start with
[4:58]that and you know that kind of made it
[5:01]so that we had we had you know hundreds
[5:03]of thousands of pages you know real long
[5:05]tail. This was back when Google, you
[5:08]know, when you were you were still kind
[5:09]of gaming the system a little bit, I
[5:10]guess. Uh I don't feel like it there was
[5:12]anything unethical just indexing pages,
[5:14]right? But we we got a lot of traffic,
[5:17]you know, from having such a longtail
[5:20]travel website. I mean, we definitely
[5:21]covered a lot of things that
[5:24]um a lot of the other ones didn't.
[5:32]So
[5:34]yeah, so I feel like I mentioned a lot
[5:36]of the SEO and SEM stuff, but some other
[5:38]things I would add. So we had AB
[5:40]testing. Um this so when you're looking
[5:44]at this page here, so you're this would
[5:46]this might be a landing page to a
[5:48]particular city. This is the SEO landing
[5:51]page version of it. So there we did a
[5:52]bunch of AB testing and based on you
[5:55]know what was the most efficient way to
[5:57]convert um you know was the approach we
[6:00]took with every city you know could end
[6:02]up on kind of different layout depending
[6:13]so I can't like say that this was an
[6:15]inspiring platform like to me it was you
[6:18]know this was this was an early version
[6:21]of,
[6:24]you know, legitimately trying to help
[6:25]people find the lowest rates somewhere.
[6:28]Um, but this was a very fine-tuned
[6:31]machine, that's for sure.
[6:41]So, yeah, I feel like I covered most of
[6:43]this.
[6:49]Yeah. So once um we had this I guess on
[6:53]that was another thing I was going to
[6:54]say about the SEM. So um in order to
[6:58]have you know a campaign that big you
[7:00]know programmatically you had to create
[7:02]all those ad ad groups uh there are
[7:05]hundreds of thousands of them millions
[7:07]of keywords and you know I had to manage
[7:10]that every month.
[7:13]Um
[7:15]that was probably the you know aside
[7:17]from the programming was one of the
[7:20]primary tasks that I had to manage was
[7:22]just keep you know keeping our ad
[7:24]campaigns profitable. That was
[7:27]definitely a lot of work.
[7:30]So once we had this system you know I
[7:33]felt like it was at a good place then we
[7:34]started moving it to the um other
[7:36]properties that had. So we moved to
[7:38]usa.com and then you know you just kind
[7:40]of filtered the geography database for
[7:42]the United States and make it a little
[7:45]bit different and give you know the
[7:46]different landing pages and um we just
[7:50]expanded it
[7:54]once
[7:56]it became
[7:59]once we reached the point where it just
[8:01]wasn't profitable. That's when I moved
[8:03]on and I went back into freelancing and
[8:05]I found my next client who I worked with
[8:07]for somewhere between seven and 10 years
[8:10]and um I entered the music industry at
[8:13]that point. So I started working on um a
[8:17]music streaming service and a music
[8:19]distribution service and I'll talk about
[8:21]those next. Um it's a whole different
[8:23]story. So