Recorded Meeting with Oregon State Parks Leadership – March 5, 2025 (Audio Only)

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[0:00]yeah

[0:03]a think about some observations that

[0:06]I've been having you know your time here

[0:08]at the park and you know also recognize

[0:11]all the work that you've been doing um

[0:13]so you did you've been doing a great job

[0:14]at the Welcome Center you've also been

[0:16]doing a great job on the as recently as

[0:19]the Y had a lost and found drum and you

[0:21]turned it in follow all the procedures

[0:23]100% correctly so that's great right and

[0:25]so thank you um so I want to you

[0:28]recognize the good stuff um doing uh

[0:31]here at the park um worked a double

[0:33]stayed an hour past that to help

[0:34]somebody yep yep so you're definitely

[0:37]providing that service you know that um

[0:39]you know the day-to-day operational

[0:41]service that we're after with the park

[0:44]um I care about this place that's good

[0:46]that's good that's what I mean I think

[0:48]all of us do right and that's why we're

[0:50]here we have that shared value and that

[0:53]shared you know belief of like why we're

[0:55]here and providing the service for

[0:56]people so so that's right that's right

[0:58]on that's good that's I glad to hear

[1:00]that and that's awesome that that that

[1:02]you do feel that way because that's the

[1:04]same way I feel I know that's the same

[1:05]way Katie feels and that's the same way

[1:07]all the Rangers feel and all the you

[1:09]know other volunteers you know like

[1:11]that's a you know something that we hold

[1:14]and talk about pretty often you know as

[1:15]a crew um of you know why we're here and

[1:18]why we're doing what we're doing you

[1:20]know so um is there anything you said

[1:23]you wanted to talk is there anything you

[1:24]want to talk about before we get before

[1:27]we um kind of get going

[1:30]I'd like to hear what you have to say

[1:32]okay yeah no worries yeah so um so yeah

[1:35]first off I just wanted like I said

[1:36]recognize all the efforts um that that

[1:40]you've been doing and you know I just

[1:42]some observation I'll start with some

[1:43]observations and so kind of my role as a

[1:47]park manager is to I want everybody to

[1:49]set up for success and some of that at

[1:53]times is you know providing expectations

[1:56]for people you know moving forward kind

[1:58]of you know you're brand new and state

[2:00]parks you think you hosted for a little

[2:03]while down ataw tugman right and so

[2:06]you're still learning the ropes yourself

[2:07]and getting understand had to navigate a

[2:10]lot of understanding like you know what

[2:13]we do when we do it why we do it how we

[2:14]do it and it can be a lot you know for

[2:16]people

[2:17]to um figure a lot of stuff out right

[2:21]and so hopefully that's where you know I

[2:24]come in as a manager Kitty comes in as R

[2:25]supervisor and all the Rangers are there

[2:27]to provide support and help as well

[2:30]to all the volunteers that that's really

[2:32]our role right you guys are part of our

[2:34]team and part of one big thing of our

[2:37]team operating principles is being

[2:40]supportive of each other you know and

[2:43]and so that can be interpreted in

[2:45]different ways right you know you know

[2:48]how supported people are are not you

[2:50]know and just so you know I've seen some

[2:53]you know I've seen some correspondents

[2:55]from you that kind

[2:58]of leads me to believe that that you

[3:01]believe that people aren't being

[3:02]supportive of you um and then you know

[3:06]also I would say I've been seen some

[3:09]stuff that may not be supportive of the

[3:11]crew and kind of what we're doing as

[3:13]well um so I have a just some talking

[3:16]points here of things I'd like to

[3:18]address and um and talk about and just

[3:21]so we're on the same page you know

[3:23]you're on the same page as I am and we

[3:25]have an understanding and a clear

[3:27]pathway forward for your success as a

[3:29]volunteer here okay I'm listening as you

[3:31]come through here you're going to go to

[3:32]other parks and um you know other Parks

[3:35]will have um EXA you almost got to

[3:38]relearn not relearn everything right but

[3:40]they do things differently at each Park

[3:43]um and so you know some of that is

[3:45]having you know patience and

[3:47]understanding where those processes but

[3:49]so anyway so um you know we have a lot

[3:52]of volunteers that come through the park

[3:54]regularly you know people that have been

[3:56]returning for 10 to 20 years you know

[3:59]like literally 20 20 years right and uh

[4:04]they interact with you know other

[4:05]volunteers they inter interact with the

[4:09]staff right and but there's an

[4:12]observation that I've made in the the

[4:16]month that you've been here is um and

[4:19]this is in correspondence coming from

[4:21]you directly in emails and texts to park

[4:24]rangers or myself or Katie um is that

[4:29]you know you've express some

[4:30]dissatisfaction with multiple members of

[4:33]the crew I mean myself Katie Logan Leaf

[4:37]Pat I don't agree with that okay well

[4:39]yeah so like I said that's just the

[4:42]observation I've made on the emails that

[4:44]I've seen from you well I don't agree

[4:46]with that and that's fine and and you

[4:48]don't have to agree with it um but I am

[4:52]communicating what my expectations are

[4:54]for you as a volunteer here at the park

[4:57]well I want you to know my petition as

[4:58]well I have never said anything I've

[5:00]never had a criticism towards you

[5:02]towards Leaf um it's just that's not how

[5:05]I we'll get more into we'll get more

[5:07]into it uh as we go along here um so

[5:11]long story short is after you have

[5:13]arrived it does appear that there you're

[5:15]having issues with different Park staff

[5:17]you know it started out with Katie at

[5:18]the beginning of the month and then I

[5:21]came and talked to you as a normal

[5:22]conversation I would with anybody else

[5:24]and that conversation didn't sit well

[5:26]with you either I think we rectified

[5:28]that through email

[5:30]right but it just there's I've observed

[5:33]a trend over the month that you've been

[5:35]here is that when somebody tries to

[5:37]provide you guidance or feedback um you

[5:41]take it as that

[5:42]they're like don't trust you or that

[5:45]they're um you know don't think that

[5:47]you're capable of understanding um I

[5:50]think recently I heard that you had

[5:51]requested that you know like a certain

[5:54]park ranger didn't lead an orientation

[5:57]right and so um one expectation I have I

[6:00]didn't request that I spoke to um Logan

[6:03]on the phone and I told him that every

[6:05]time Patrick and I interacted he was

[6:08]condescending towards me and he said

[6:09]that leaf would train me gotcha that was

[6:12]what Logan said to me I took him at his

[6:15]word right yeah my understand with that

[6:18]is that Logan was saying that he would

[6:19]look into it it wasn't like guarantee

[6:21]not what happened it was it's not what

[6:23]happened it's yeah it's it's fine like I

[6:26]said this isn't an argument so um we're

[6:29]not we're not doing an argument here so

[6:31]um long story short is any Ranger at any

[6:34]time will provide training to any

[6:36]volunteer here and I and I went to the

[6:38]training great um that's awesome and

[6:41]that and that's all we could ask for um

[6:44]but I would ask that you know with that

[6:46]being is that like um so in that

[6:49]instance I saw some feedback directly

[6:51]from you saying that Patrick was

[6:53]condescending towards you know the

[6:55]volunteers and the

[6:56]orientation and from what I understand

[6:59]from your words is that um you felt that

[7:03]with r with Patrick saying that like you

[7:07]know I'm here to provide support for you

[7:09]or something of that nature and he you

[7:12]said he repeated it multiple times in

[7:13]the conversation over the course of an

[7:15]hour he kept bringing it out but that

[7:16]wasn't the main point yeah so but it

[7:19]seemed like that was a a sign but I

[7:21]navigate it I navigate you know things I

[7:24]don't really have an issue with Patrick

[7:25]he's you know easy to navigate okay um

[7:28]the problem was was that Logan lied to

[7:30]me that's a fact well and and just so

[7:33]you know too um Logan came to me so Leaf

[7:36]was out sick right the day prior to the

[7:39]orientation and we we did not know if he

[7:41]was going to be available to even do an

[7:43]orientation right okay and so I also

[7:45]wasn't communicated to me well you're

[7:47]right and so and I even told Logan is

[7:49]like regardless is like Patrick was

[7:51]scheduled for the orientation like he

[7:54]was scheduled to do the orientation and

[7:56]so an expectation I have as a park

[7:58]manager for our volunteers and our staff

[8:01]is that we got to get along log with

[8:02]each other and so by Patrick not doing

[8:04]the orientation that was not an option

[8:06]so Patrick was doing the

[8:09]orientation regardless right and so from

[8:13]my understanding talking about Patrick I

[8:14]heard nothing in the conversation from

[8:16]Patrick that

[8:17]would for me to believe that he was not

[8:22]supportive of the volunteers and he's

[8:25]very plain what what I had heard is that

[8:27]he was offering help that's what I heard

[8:30]and it sound like what you heard is that

[8:31]he repeated himself and was insinuating

[8:34]that you weren't capable of

[8:36]understanding look I'm not sure what you

[8:38]want me to say I have already said yeah

[8:41]no and I told you I navigate him you

[8:44]know like I do everybody no fair enough

[8:46]and I Logan is my direct supervisor I

[8:48]tried to explain to him that every time

[8:50]Patrick comes to see me he is

[8:52]condescending towards me this is just

[8:54]the way it is and I navigate it and I

[8:56]knew that if I was in a training

[8:57]environment with him that that put him

[9:00]in a position of authority over where he

[9:02]could be even more condescending and I

[9:03]wanted to avoid that situation and Logan

[9:06]said that he would deal with it and have

[9:07]believe trained me and I believed him

[9:09]gotta so yeah and yeah I so I understand

[9:12]you have a conflict with Patrick not

[9:14]really okay I wanted to avoid a

[9:16]situation I wanted to prevent a

[9:18]situation right so so it sounds like you

[9:22]have an understanding of maybe what some

[9:24]triggers are for you right maybe Patrick

[9:26]does and you're navigating around those

[9:28]that's what I just heard you say if

[9:31]that's

[9:32]correct

[9:34]um I mean I don't know that I would call

[9:36]it a trigger because I do um like I said

[9:40]I navigate the situation it's just I I

[9:43]recognize the way he's talking to me and

[9:46]I don't think that he's conscious of it

[9:48]I don't think he's he's you know out to

[9:51]get me or something I just know that the

[9:54]way he

[9:55]it's okay fair fair enough yeah so so I

[9:59]give that and like um but just so I am

[10:03]being clear on this is that like you

[10:05]know Patrick is still a ranger and like

[10:08]he's interacted with lots of always

[10:10]respectful with him that's good that's

[10:11]that's great and my hope is that he is

[10:13]with you and if he's not then please let

[10:14]me know and we'll work on that but just

[10:17]so when and I you know I know Patrick

[10:20]right I worked with him for quite a few

[10:22]years and other volunteers who work with

[10:23]Patrick over the years and stuff and so

[10:26]I when I hear Patrick say this is this

[10:28]is my perspective when I hear Patrick

[10:30]say be like I'm here to help or just

[10:32]give me a call if you need anything when

[10:34]Patrick says that I take that as like

[10:36]that's Patrick

[10:37]genuinely I don't have this not about

[10:39]that it's really not about that it's

[10:42]like I mean trying Let me refresh my

[10:44]memory here the first thing he said was

[10:46]don't get your hopes up he said that

[10:48]twice and it was the way he said it

[10:50]refering like the schedule yeah it was

[10:52]like I was just asking a question about

[10:54]the schedule and then he just kept going

[10:56]on and on and on about it but that's not

[10:57]even so like a couple days before that

[10:59]I'm at the Welcome Center I have to do

[11:01]the um I had to escalate a situation I

[11:04]called all of you trying to you know

[11:05]including him and then he came in and

[11:08]said that he had to leave earlier and

[11:10]then described that whole call log to me

[11:12]like I hadn't just done it it's it's

[11:14]just the way he comes across it's like

[11:18]he's yeah and and so yeah and like in

[11:21]that situ just from for me hearing that

[11:23]right what when and obviously I I can't

[11:28]like

[11:29]I can I was just trying to avoid a

[11:31]situation and I believe understand how

[11:33]you're feeling or how that comes across

[11:35]right but when when I hear that to me it

[11:39]just sounds like Patrick's trying to

[11:41]he's being Patrick I understand I truly

[11:43]understand I think he's just trying to

[11:44]communicate because Patrick loves

[11:46]communication he likes lots of

[11:47]communication and and you almost have to

[11:50]overc communicate with Patrick in

[11:52]general and so the way I navigate him is

[11:54]I'll say we're good patri we're good but

[11:57]he hasn't picked up on that yet like I'm

[11:59]literally just trying to have a smooth

[12:01]relationship with everybody gotta and

[12:04]because Patrick wasn't picking up on it

[12:06]every single interaction went like that

[12:07]I was like okay if he trains me that

[12:10]could go very badly let's try to avoid

[12:12]that well yeah and and here's and the

[12:14]other thing too is that I would

[12:15]encourage people if if you are having

[12:18]like an issue like that like having a

[12:19]conversation like we're having I had one

[12:21]with Logan well Logan's not Patrick

[12:23]though and and Logan is not so what I

[12:26]would say is that something would need

[12:27]to happen with Patrick so like if I'm

[12:29]have a conversation and I'm hearing this

[12:31]I I have a thing that says I hear that

[12:33]Patrick and he is somehow supposed to

[12:36]know that that means like I'm you're

[12:39]saying be more direct with them you guys

[12:41]don't like it when I'm direct you guys

[12:42]don't like it so what am I supposed to

[12:44]do no I think it's not it's not what you

[12:46]say it's how you say it right and so

[12:49]it's I think typically even with like

[12:52]rule enforcement in the campground right

[12:54]is not what we're saying it's how we're

[12:56]saying it right so if I show up into the

[12:58]campsite and I say hey shut the [ __ ] up

[13:00]you know like be quiet it's quiet hour

[13:02]right or if I say hi good afternoon my

[13:04]name is Ryan I'm Oran State

[13:08]Park you pass I can hear the noise

[13:10]coming from down the

[13:13]loop right the exact same thing in a

[13:16]different way right and so yeah and so

[13:18]that's I can think on that because I

[13:20]have I've thought about it it's like how

[13:21]do I explain this to Patrick that he's

[13:24]right overe explaining and just well and

[13:29]and just just so I mean from my

[13:31]perspective as a manager like you're a

[13:32]quick guy like I can say something to

[13:35]you and you get it and you're quick

[13:38]right not everybody is that not

[13:40]everybody is like that right like

[13:42]literally

[13:44]sometimes like overc communicating right

[13:47]is a form of making sure that somebody

[13:49]understands so a good way to do that

[13:51]what I've noticed sometimes is effective

[13:53]as a communicator is to paraphrase back

[13:56]to them what it is that you heard

[13:59]okay and by doing that they say oh yep

[14:02]they got it I don't need to say it again

[14:04]right but if I just say I'm hearing this

[14:06]I just saym they're like did they

[14:09]understand that you know it can create

[14:11]some mystery there and so that's what I

[14:13]mean when I say we're good but I get

[14:14]we're saying right and so yeah I think

[14:16]that's your form of saying we're good I

[14:18]got you like I told to tell what you

[14:20]been saying and you don't need to

[14:21]paraphrase back all you you know and

[14:23]yeah and so but so I I totally

[14:27]understand where you're com I get that I

[14:29]am not your normal volunteer okay and

[14:32]this is a hard thing to navigate um I'm

[14:35]doing my best no and that's and that's

[14:36]what that's all we could ask but in the

[14:39]situation and like I said you know I

[14:42]mean I've never truly had a problem with

[14:43]Patrick like there's been no

[14:44]confrontation with them you know it's

[14:46]always been respectful well that's good

[14:49]you know but just from my perspective as

[14:51]a manager yeah just when I see like

[14:55]emails or text messages in regards to

[14:57]and that's another thing so I have been

[14:59]a freelancer all of my life which means

[15:02]I'm always emailing and this is a state

[15:04]agency thing where um you guys treat it

[15:08]differently than I do and I'm trying to

[15:10]navigate I even try to talk to Logan

[15:12]without sending emails right you know

[15:14]I'm trying to adapt to you guys right um

[15:18]well I wouldn't say is necessarily the

[15:20]emails are the issue with that I

[15:23]communication it's good to communicate

[15:24]it's healthy to communicate and so like

[15:27]do you really mean this I do so like to

[15:29]be a healthy crew is that we have to be

[15:31]able to communicate with each other

[15:33]right and so like I think you know for

[15:36]my understanding of when I was looking

[15:40]through some corresponden and stuff that

[15:42]J had sent is that like by Logan sharing

[15:45]information with like the park manager

[15:48]or Katie is that it led you to distrust

[15:51]him no I know nothing about this I don't

[15:53]know what you're saying so that is that

[15:55]was very clearly in the emails in

[15:57]regards nothing I've said yeah yeah okay

[16:00]no I'm yeah what I have no idea what

[16:03]you're talking about I truly don't fair

[16:04]enough fair enough yeah okay so um I why

[16:07]would I care if he shared something with

[16:09]you I that's not not at all Ryan

[16:12]seriously okay um go back and read it

[16:14]cuz I don't know what you're talking

[16:15]about but I I believe that word was used

[16:18]in there in regards to Logan and being

[16:20]able to to trust him no it's not in

[16:24]there so yeah so just it's not in there

[16:27]fair enough truly not and I think like

[16:29]even you C you sent Logan an email and

[16:31]then you cced Katie on it saying that I

[16:34]know you're going to give this to Katie

[16:35]anyway oh okay so I can explain that I

[16:37]can explain that yeah yeah I can explain

[16:40]that though so I learned from from

[16:42]Frankie the vssl at a different part

[16:45]that when you say something that's even

[16:47]slightly negative and this was a very

[16:49]direct response to Logan that it

[16:51]automatically goes to the supervisor so

[16:53]I knew you would receive a

[16:55]copy that's it okay got you

[17:00]fair enough but yeah so it just to so

[17:04]for me how it came across for for me

[17:06]okay is that um you know I knew I knew

[17:11]that she would receive a copy and I

[17:13]didn't want her to think that it was

[17:14]something I was hiding so I sent it to

[17:16]her directly that makes that makes sense

[17:17]and though just my interpretation of

[17:20]that whole thing was that like I know I

[17:22]can't trust you with information Logan

[17:24]so I'm going to give it to the people

[17:26]that are going to show it

[17:27]to that's how it

[17:29]I'm sorry is not how it was meant at all

[17:32]fair fair enough fair enough but that is

[17:34]definitely how it came across so as a

[17:35]manager I'm thinking oh man like I mean

[17:38]like this is an issue like you know like

[17:41]Sam doesn't feel that he can trust I

[17:43]mean that's why I said I'm not

[17:45]escalating I'm informing trying to

[17:47]prevent that actually so I yeah so and

[17:52]literally not escalating like well I

[17:55]well I I know and and so that could be

[17:58]tough is like sometimes when people say

[18:00]hey I don't want to start well that's

[18:01]why we're talking they say I don't want

[18:02]to start a problem but you know then you

[18:05]tell I am a very direct person I mean

[18:07]what I say mean I wrong with him you

[18:09]know sometimes that could be like I

[18:11]think you don't want to start a problem

[18:12]you know but then I'm very honest and

[18:14]direct I mean what I say I truly do so

[18:18]you do not have to be reading subtext

[18:20]for me I mean what I say okay if it gets

[18:23]misinterpreted that does happen because

[18:26]um one thing I've learned is a lot of

[18:28]people people they attach things to like

[18:30]okay take the word difficult for example

[18:32]is something I've learned this past year

[18:34]when I use the word difficult I'm just

[18:35]describing a situation that is a little

[18:38]complicated but people attach emotions

[18:40]to that I don't do that right that's um

[18:44]I think that people probably do that

[18:45]with all kinds of language that I don't

[18:48]even know about like these are things

[18:49]I'm just learning that people treat

[18:51]language I treat it very very direct and

[18:53]plain I mean what I say right no you're

[18:56]you're right there are definitely

[18:59]inferences or inflections on certain

[19:04]words Us in certain ways I mean even

[19:06]down to like if lettering is bolded in a

[19:09]in a paragraph I mean like that

[19:11]insinuates that like has like a a tone

[19:15]like a negative tone could be perceived

[19:17]as like a negative or threatening tone

[19:19]like you know kind of like putting

[19:21]exclamation points behind something like

[19:23]put like 25 exclamation points so let's

[19:26]get to the real issue here okay

[19:29]uh I don't trust Logan he has not given

[19:32]me any reason to trust him and I have

[19:34]laid out why and because of that I do

[19:38]not want him ruining my future I had to

[19:41]do something about that right I had to

[19:43]make sure that he could not ruin my

[19:45]future right that is why we here right

[19:49]well yeah and so I mean I would I

[19:52]understand that maybe there are a lot of

[19:55]reasons Ryan that you believe that Logan

[19:57]is part of your future right no but no

[20:00]but however he is capable of

[20:02]interrupting my future while I'm here

[20:04]and you are as well so you as a person

[20:07]holds the highest responsibility of that

[20:10]disruption not happening and that's why

[20:13]we're here to talk with you it's not

[20:15]about Logan at all like this about well

[20:17]you started bringing up um Bolding

[20:20]things and that's the only time I've

[20:21]ever bolded something in an email so I

[20:23]made an inference there and I'm just

[20:24]explaining this is why that email was

[20:26]sent because

[20:30]I I was just trying to I was just trying

[20:33]to have you understand that by doing

[20:36]those there are inflections of words

[20:37]because it sounded like before when we

[20:39]were talking that you didn't understand

[20:41]that there were inflections with words

[20:43]but it sounds like you do understand is

[20:45]what I just heard because you said you

[20:47]wanted to make a point so you bolded

[20:48]them I absolutely wanted to make a point

[20:50]with that em all right so we're on the

[20:52]same page with that so um so we do

[20:55]understand that words you know can have

[20:57]some yeah they can easily get

[20:59]misinterpreted too though I mean that's

[21:01]also what we're talking about so correct

[21:03]yes they can go both ways on that right

[21:07]know it certainly can and so that's why

[21:10]we're here talking about stuff and set

[21:12]the expectations moving forward right

[21:15]so uh part of us as a crew um so one

[21:19]thing I could ask for you directly is to

[21:23]um only have conversations with Park

[21:25]staff that don't result in things like

[21:27]threats or demands over emails or texts

[21:31]okay so that would be things like hey

[21:33]I'm you know requesting that you help me

[21:35]get a job and somewhere else or it be

[21:38]like I am prepared to fight this or not

[21:41]let you stand in my way so those things

[21:44]come across as threats and they could

[21:48]they can make people feel not good when

[21:51]they're being threatened and it it makes

[21:53]them not want to engage with somebody

[21:55]else if they feel like they're being

[21:57]threat right okay so so I would just ask

[22:00]that moving forward m is that you know

[22:03]you don't engage in that sort of um

[22:06]verbage of either demanding or you know

[22:09]threatening never made a demand gotcha

[22:12]okay understood but from from so it

[22:15]should be easy then moving absolutely

[22:17]I've never made a demand to not do that

[22:19]um and so the goals of our agency is to

[22:23]you know to being like supportive of

[22:25]each other and welcoming to everybody

[22:28]here and we're we're this is why we're

[22:30]having a conversation with you as well

[22:32]is that we are really trying

[22:34]to have you understand kind of what our

[22:38]observations are and kind of what our

[22:40]expectations are moving forward to to

[22:42]make you be successful and so this isn't

[22:44]like a Logan Thing versus whatever this

[22:46]is a Sam thing and I'm the the park

[22:49]manager I'm responsible for all the

[22:50]employees that are here at the park all

[22:52]the volunteers all the employees and all

[22:55]the people that come from our park and

[22:56]go to different parks and I've been in

[22:59]the agency for 15 years now and I've

[23:01]been in management for half of that and

[23:04]I've seen a little bit of everything

[23:06]from all the way from a Parker Ranger

[23:08]assistant all the way through all the

[23:10]disciplinary processes of a manager and

[23:13]and all the HR stuff right

[23:17]and what I have found to be the most

[23:19]successful thing when somebody comes and

[23:22]talks to

[23:23]me is for me to say you know what I did

[23:25]not see it that way I will do my best to

[23:29]you know change these things moving

[23:31]forward those people are the most

[23:33]successful people in like in their

[23:36]career and in their future I've had a

[23:37]few his opportunities over my career

[23:40]where somebody came and talked to me and

[23:42]it felt like I was chewing on glass

[23:44]right and all I had to do is keep

[23:46]chewing that glass and swallow it right

[23:49]but because of that providing that

[23:51]feedback made me a better person it made

[23:53]me stronger and it made me more

[23:55]resilient and it made me have a better

[23:58]understanding of what my role is and

[24:00]what I'm doing and where I wanted to be

[24:03]in the future right so the conversation

[24:05]we're having is is no different than the

[24:07]conversation that I have been through

[24:09]multiple times in my life right and in

[24:12]particularly even here at this career

[24:14]right

[24:15]so part of why we're talking about this

[24:17]is we want to support the goals of the

[24:19]agency and um and we'll get more into

[24:25]you know the explanation and stuff like

[24:28]that so so and at the park you know

[24:30]we're very big on assuming positive

[24:32]intent right and so it's it's a lot

[24:35]easier said than done right so and this

[24:38]this can be this can go both ways right

[24:41]so the with us as a crew we want to see

[24:44]positive intent for each other want to

[24:46]assume positive intent for the public

[24:48]right so like for example if a um I'll

[24:52]tell a real world example there was a

[24:54]camper camping in Sea and had a pretty

[25:00]beat up Ford Ranger right it had a lot

[25:03]of dents in it spray painted ra can it

[25:06]had a lot of contents in the back of the

[25:09]truck right so at first glance if

[25:12]somebody was not assuming positive

[25:14]intent they might think that these

[25:15]people are up to nefarious activity or

[25:18]they're doing something like they're

[25:20]stealing stuff right so uh we actually

[25:23]had a park coost obviously it's not you

[25:25]so right this is years ago so we had a

[25:27]park host

[25:29]that made contact with them and

[25:31]essentially accused them of stealing

[25:33]stuff in the camp room with no prior

[25:35]knowledge of knowing whether they had

[25:37]paid or not okay well it turned out that

[25:41]that camper was an actual paid camper

[25:45]they came in they were moving across

[25:47]country they didn't have a lot of

[25:49]funding right so they had a lot of stuff

[25:51]with them and it

[25:53]was packed in maybe a a way that you

[25:56]weren't assuming positive intent

[25:59]that set you up for a bad uh interaction

[26:01]with that person right so what do you

[26:04]think happened when the park CL went up

[26:06]to that person and said hey what are you

[26:08]doing here it looks like you're stealing

[26:10]stuff and they were a paid

[26:12]camper I mean so you know made them

[26:16]feel bad right terrible essentially so

[26:20]if we were take that same situation and

[26:23]you know assumed that they had

[26:25]paid it sets us up for a better you know

[26:29]interaction with them right so I always

[26:30]say assume positive intent until proven

[26:32]otherwise right so if Katie like has

[26:35]something stuck in her eye and she goes

[26:37]like that I'm not going to think oh God

[26:40]Katie made a weird face at me she must

[26:42]hate me right I'm going to assume until

[26:44]proven otherwise the kitty had something

[26:46]in her eyeball or if she's having a bad

[26:50]day and she cusses cusses under breath

[26:52]at me I might think damn Kitty might be

[26:54]having a bad day right like I'm going to

[26:57]assume that's not Katie like I'm going

[26:59]to assume positive intent towards Katie

[27:02]that she's doing the best she can with

[27:04]what she got and in my role as a team

[27:06]teammate that's my default position with

[27:08]people in general okay that's

[27:11]good M you know I want to you know make

[27:15]sure that um you know I'm providing that

[27:19]support for for her right and giving her

[27:21]space and and and assuming that positive

[27:24]intent right so a big thing we have here

[27:27]at the crew is to is to assume positive

[27:30]because it sets us up better for Success

[27:33]having contact with I agree that's why I

[27:35]said I don't think Patrick is you know

[27:36]he's just being himself I understand

[27:39]okay well that's good yeah so that's

[27:41]good yeah so

[27:45]okay so I guess um one other thing I

[27:48]wanted to ask and this would be kind of

[27:51]an expectation moving forward is that

[27:54]you know that you take us at our word

[27:57]right and so like I take you at your

[27:59]word Ryan well that's good I'm I'm glad

[28:02]but I do my

[28:04]hope well I took Logan at his word also

[28:07]right well and so I would say is like

[28:10]moving forward like Logan Patrick Leaf

[28:13]Nate Haley Katie Hannah like to be like

[28:16]a a good operating crew we have to take

[28:20]all all of each other I take everyone at

[28:22]their work um I also hold them to their

[28:24]work okay fair enough don't you

[28:29]uh yeah I mean I understand sometimes

[28:33]instances change so like for example it

[28:36]it seems like maybe you're holding on to

[28:37]this Logan Patrick Leaf training you

[28:40]thing oh okay all right so if you're not

[28:42]that's fine but U it just seems like

[28:44]maybe that's what you're referring back

[28:45]to and and if you like is you know that

[28:48]could be all be pushed back on me that's

[28:49]not a Logan thing I told Logan

[28:51]absolutely not Patrick's doing the

[28:53]training right so if okay if you do want

[28:55]to be frustrated with anybody on that be

[28:57]frustrated with me on that because it

[28:59]did not seem like from the information I

[29:01]had that we would not be avoiding

[29:05]Patrick doing a trading because Patrick

[29:06]needs to be able to do that training I

[29:08]understand your point of view on this as

[29:09]for like a volunteer needs to be able to

[29:11]receive that course that and I went and

[29:13]did that's great that's perfect um but I

[29:16]would ask in the future that like we

[29:18]don't have follow-up emails in regards

[29:20]to that so um you know my

[29:24]expectations from like emails and phone

[29:28]messages and text is that they only be

[29:30]professional and directly related to

[29:32]work and if you have employee issues you

[29:35]can bring those to me okay so I'm so in

[29:38]this instance when there's okay I like

[29:40]that when there's an employee issue I'm

[29:43]more the appropriate person to come to

[29:45]than Logan is so and and this might just

[29:47]be like a misunderstanding from yes he's

[29:49]my direct supervisor as a direct super

[29:52]so but Logan has no supervisor Authority

[29:55]whatsoever like he do not and the people

[29:58]that do here at this park is Katie and

[30:01]myself okay so we're the ones that give

[30:04]performance evaluations okay we're the

[30:06]ones that uh you know this is something

[30:09]I didn't know sorry truly two staff

[30:11]specif like more so specifically Yeah

[30:14]well yeah I mean staff and volunteers

[30:16]like yeah like so so if we do a dismiss

[30:18]I got you okay so if we do dismissal

[30:21]inste it's not Logan doing a dismissal

[30:24]it's KD or myself okay right and so um

[30:28]so yes he is he's like day-to-day

[30:29]operations kind of like having

[30:31]somebody be stationed at the park Booth

[30:34]you know so like I did treat him like my

[30:36]direct supervisor I assume that's what

[30:38]he was Goa and that that that makes

[30:40]sense that could be like an

[30:41]misunderstanding and so yeah so Logan is

[30:44]not any any vssl is like they're like

[30:47]day-to-day operations like do the

[30:49]scheduling and they get people put in

[30:52]the slots right um but they don't

[30:56]actually like supervis supervise you

[30:59]know I kind of treated you two as fairly

[31:01]off limits gotcha um gotta Yeah well

[31:05]yeah I mean day-to-day stuff I mean we

[31:07]hope that any Ranger can address any

[31:10]well I'm just I'm just letting you see

[31:13]how I saw the

[31:14]higher yeah and our hope is that like at

[31:17]any time and this is my perspective like

[31:19]from a ranger point of view

[31:21]like like my expectations of Rangers is

[31:24]that they help volunteers anytime they

[31:26]need help you know like and they're

[31:29]available there for help so I mean

[31:31]selfishly I got so many hours of the day

[31:34]right so my hope is that the Ranger will

[31:37]you know hey I need whatever toil paper

[31:39]hey I need cleaning supplies hey I need

[31:41]Mop Heads right that's what those

[31:42]rangers are there for that day-to-day

[31:44]support operations clarifying stuff and

[31:47]if you know and if they can't then

[31:49]obviously then Katie and I can help with

[31:52]that as well right but but ultimately

[31:54]you know at the end of the day is like

[31:55]Katy and I for staff and volunteers of

[31:58]the park we are like the supervisor and

[32:02]so okay everything that happens at the

[32:03]park I got to respond to all the

[32:06]complaint letters that come out of stuff

[32:07]I got to respond to all the good all the

[32:10]good letters that come to the park as

[32:12]well right and and all do the budget

[32:14]stuff and do all the HR stuff and you

[32:17]know run projects and so we're kind of

[32:20]do all the stuff Rangers do plus you

[32:23]know a bunch of other admin stuff okay

[32:25]this is very new to me I truly didn't

[32:27]know kind of

[32:28]scenes whatever so so that sounds that

[32:33]sounds good um and so you know so I

[32:36]would ask that you know you take us at

[32:38]our word right and so um and some of

[32:41]that assuming positive intent goes along

[32:43]with that is that like and yes I said

[32:47]you know maybe you got

[32:49]some stuff that led you to distrust

[32:52]Logan a little bit right but like I said

[32:54]I would asked that let that stuff go and

[32:57]if you wanted to blame I'm not holding

[32:58]anything on like that's how I work so

[33:00]good good so um so part of saw him

[33:06]yesterday and it was very cordial

[33:10]professional good and my hope is that

[33:12]you you know as a volunteer or staff

[33:14]member to have a good functioning

[33:16]working crew you know we we cannot avoid

[33:20]C you know certain people that are on a

[33:22]crew like if I understand I was not

[33:25]trying to avoid Patrick all the time I

[33:27]just thought that that particular

[33:28]circumstance could have been served

[33:30]better okay I mean and I understand that

[33:32]you have a different position on that I

[33:34]was just trying to navigate a situation

[33:36]I thought could have been different

[33:38]right and I was told that it would be so

[33:42]you know he told

[33:44]me yeah fair enough um but like that

[33:48]would be like an expectation moving

[33:49]forward is that like you know any Ranger

[33:52]any volunteer you know we got we got to

[33:54]be able to yeah work in a I'm not saying

[33:58]it but and I would actually you know I

[34:00]don't promote people to be friends

[34:02]outside of work you know but while at

[34:04]work you know have a work like

[34:05]professional interactions with each

[34:07]other you know like we're cordial we say

[34:09]hi we wave goodbye say good to see you

[34:13]you know like respect mutually respect I

[34:16]have been professional to everybody

[34:18]every single time so so some of the

[34:20]things that we're talking about yeah if

[34:21]you're already doing them it should be

[34:23]really easy well I just I'm still want

[34:26]to clarify yeah I want to be clear there

[34:29]is never I don't I cannot think of a

[34:30]single interaction that was negative

[34:32]with the rang there that's okay that's

[34:35]good um I know we talked at the

[34:38]beginning of the month a little bit

[34:39]about the red book and the walking

[34:40]Center about putting work rated things

[34:43]in their only and so I just wanted to

[34:45]make sure that you're that you

[34:48]understand where I was getting at with

[34:49]that um and so you that would be like um

[34:53]notes or poems or drawings you know like

[34:57]things that we put in there would be

[34:58]things like hey Rangers I need uh tissue

[35:02]paper at the Welcome Center or I have a

[35:05]problem with the change find or I didn't

[35:07]think I'd ever have to touch it again

[35:08]I'm not in the welome well you probably

[35:10]won't um but there might be a time when

[35:12]you're out in the Y there's an issue

[35:13]with a y or something like that um or

[35:15]any that sort of stuff so just just I

[35:18]know I talked to b in a month and so my

[35:20]hope is that if I were to go back into

[35:21]the welcome center right now and look

[35:23]back through the pages that there would

[35:25]only be work related things in that red

[35:27]book is is that the case I would say

[35:30]that

[35:31]um I mean we talked about not doing

[35:34]Doodles and I stopped doing Doodles okay

[35:36]I do leave little messages like telling

[35:38]people to have a good day and things

[35:39]like that okay gotcha okay I tried to

[35:42]make it a you know welcoming yeah no

[35:44]fair enough and I think in our

[35:46]conversation I uh explained you know it

[35:48]could be like a court like taking a

[35:50]court like a legal document and we'd

[35:52]only want things that were like directly

[35:53]pertaining to you know things happening

[35:56]at the park right and so I could see how

[35:58]that could be interpreted as like have a

[35:59]nice day but I would just say please

[36:01]don't put that in a red book any long so

[36:04]um now I thought i' made that clear in

[36:07]our conversation and I must not have but

[36:09]I think you understand now what that red

[36:11]book is for and what the expectation

[36:14]would be moving forward okay sounds good

[36:17]all right um we talk about this a little

[36:20]bit so um you know I have become aware

[36:24]of some nonwork rated emails and texting

[36:26]to par staff at our park as well as

[36:29]other Parks okay so I would ask that

[36:33]that you only send work related things

[36:36]to like Logan or any of the other

[36:38]rangers so for example I think You' send

[36:40]a poem to him for him to review and so

[36:44]that would be kind of an inappropriate

[36:46]thing to do um so Logan and I've

[36:50]directed Logan on this and so if there's

[36:52]an issue with how he is to people you

[36:55]know it's strongly encouraged that like

[36:57]we don't have relationship like

[36:59]unprofessional relationship outside of

[37:01]work especially if we're in like a like

[37:04]a supervisor type role right and so in

[37:06]that case Logan is uh you it's a poem

[37:09]about my love for the ocean oversight

[37:12]you know yeah and and I'm I'm not I'm

[37:14]not uh grading your poem or anything

[37:17]like that but what I would ask is that

[37:20]you know like that would be an example

[37:21]of something that is not work related

[37:24]and so if something like that comes to

[37:26]somebody

[37:28]like with maybe no context too it can be

[37:31]received in a way of like I don't quite

[37:35]understand why that was sent to me you

[37:37]know and so you want me to explain it um

[37:40]no I don't I don't necessarily need

[37:42]explanation for that um but you know I

[37:46]would just ask that you know I think

[37:47]like I think you're just trying to share

[37:50]and provide

[37:51]information but you know can I explain

[37:54]it yeah if you want to yeah so

[37:58]I really love my time in the Welcome

[38:00]Center yeah and I want to find other

[38:03]volunteer opportunities where I can do

[38:04]that I'm going to do that at Beverly

[38:06]Beach but there's some other parks that

[38:07]have welcome centers I'm trying to get

[38:09]into MH but I haven't heard from their

[38:11]vsls I asked Logan if you would help me

[38:14]if you would contact them I just wanted

[38:16]him to

[38:18]know

[38:19]uh how much it means to me to be on the

[38:22]coast that poem is about what brought me

[38:24]here

[38:25]like what it

[38:29]yeah that's that's good and yeah and so

[38:32]maybe cuz see it wasn't a demand like

[38:34]you were saying earlier I was a request

[38:36]and I wanted him to understand how

[38:37]important it was to me what I'm trying

[38:40]to do that's all yeah and and just so

[38:42]you know typically so in like Logan's

[38:44]role is like he doesn't he doesn't do

[38:47]that stuff and that's that solely up to

[38:50]you you know I understand

[38:53]I he he's the volunteer coordinator and

[38:57]I just

[38:59]okay I I hear what you're saying I know

[39:02]other volunteer coordinators who are

[39:03]willing to help me gotch okay I good and

[39:05]I was just asking Logan to help to okay

[39:08]understood yeah yeah yeah and just and

[39:11]just so you know in Logan's perspective

[39:13]right and my perspective too is like

[39:15]it's not really up to Logan to do that

[39:17]right and so I agree it's why your

[39:19]request the uh the biggest thing that

[39:22]somebody can do to like get future jobs

[39:25]is to do a kickass job they're currently

[39:28]at that's that's the best way to go

[39:29]about it um because if you do that it

[39:32]makes a lot easier for people to say

[39:35]yeah hey you already trained on the

[39:35]Welcome Center come on over you know or

[39:37]you already trained on your cining come

[39:39]on over right so um so that's I mean you

[39:41]don't think that's inappropriate do you

[39:43]because I have other volunteer

[39:44]coordinators who yeah so I want to say

[39:48]it's inappropriate it's related to work

[39:50]right um but I was just trying to

[39:52]explain to you like

[39:55]um in you know in your asking for in

[39:58]case he knows the other volunteer

[39:59]coordinators and he can put a word in

[40:01]for me right right and I know that like

[40:05]you have said before in our conversation

[40:06]that sometimes you know you you write

[40:08]words you know a little bit different

[40:12]you know differently or you know when

[40:13]you present them you know those words

[40:15]are a little more direct and you know

[40:18]like a you know like a request is

[40:20]different than like an ask you know like

[40:23]so if I use the word like hey I'm

[40:25]requesting that you put in a good word

[40:28]for me you're it's the saying the same

[40:30]thing but using different words and like

[40:32]what we talked about earlier is that I

[40:33]mean I can it sounds like what you're

[40:35]saying is maybe it was interpreted

[40:37]differently than how okay that's what it

[40:39]sounds like to me okay but you know like

[40:41]you said I think we have established

[40:43]that you understand that words do have

[40:44]some of course some meaning to them um

[40:47]that maybe I'm not even aware of right

[40:50]yeah fair enough fair enough so um but

[40:54]back to the uh the work related emails

[40:58]text stuffff like that right so just

[41:00]please keep it understand about what

[41:02]we're talking about at the at the park

[41:04]here right and so we talked about the

[41:07]good reviews and getting so talk about

[41:09]that one um emails texts make them work

[41:13]related

[41:15]um and you know I mean so to just so you

[41:21]know right is like when when you have

[41:26]interactions with

[41:28]um staff members you know and then

[41:32]they're maybe mixed in with you know non

[41:36]like work rated stuff and it's followed

[41:39]up with like an email

[41:43]um like it can be received

[41:47]um like I'll say maybe negatively like

[41:50]almost to the point where like I'm

[41:52]trying to F you here maybe somebody

[41:53]would want to avoid interacting with you

[41:56]you know because they okay putting some

[41:58]meaning behind what those emails mean um

[42:02]and so you know it just I'm this is not

[42:05]necessarily like a a bullet point that

[42:07]I'm trying to like say you shall do this

[42:10]it's something that it's kind of that

[42:12]eating glass a little bit and so I'm

[42:13]trying to provide a little bit of

[42:15]feedback for you of like I think you

[42:18]don't want to actually say what you're

[42:19]about to right of how that could come

[42:20]across M you know I'm not sure what what

[42:24]you mean I don't know I think we're

[42:26]about to find out though oh gotcha uh

[42:29]not I'm not following you but okay um

[42:33]yeah so it just you know I just wanted

[42:36]to to like let you know that it can like

[42:39]make people feel uneasy I don't know

[42:41]what you're talking about so yeah I'm

[42:43]trying to explain it in a

[42:45][Music]

[42:46]way that would make sense

[42:51]um well it's kind of like like sending a

[42:54]PO somebody a poem without context right

[42:57]it had

[42:58]context well yeah I mean hey look at

[43:00]this poem it had context yeah but when

[43:04]if somebody's coming at it from like a

[43:05]professional workplace like lens it

[43:08]could it could be interpreted

[43:10]differently and then a follow-up email

[43:12]could be sent that's saying like you

[43:15]know I don't trust you or I'm

[43:18]dissatisfied with you or whatever be

[43:21]just from observation it seems at one

[43:23]point in time since you've been here in

[43:25]a month you've had issues with every

[43:27]every one of us besides Nate and Haley

[43:29]because haly's been gone for the whole

[43:31]month of for the whole month pretty much

[43:34]at one time or another you've had an

[43:36]issue with any one of us right and and

[43:40]now I understand your perspective that

[43:44]that you know that's something that you

[43:45]feel I'm you know really not following

[43:48]you but I'm listening okay so it seems

[43:51]like you have based upon the emails and

[43:53]the text messages that you have given to

[43:56]park staff it comes across as you have

[43:58]an issue with like who I can't even

[44:01]think of any other Rangers that I

[44:02]interact with well so I believe I mean

[44:06]if want get out of the nuts and bolts of

[44:07]it so when Kitty responded with you to a

[44:10]text message and you said that you felt

[44:11]that kitty was rude to you that was that

[44:14]was way in the beginning and we put that

[44:17]to us right and it hasn't gotten any

[44:18]better since the beginning it's been

[44:20]consistent throughout the month and so

[44:22]it's like every other week There's an

[44:25]instance of this you know and like I

[44:27]said I'm just trying to provide you

[44:29]feedback at this time of my

[44:31]observation as a park manager you said

[44:34]all the Rangers and you're bringing up

[44:37]what happened with Katie in the very

[44:38]beginning right and I'm just not

[44:40]tracking what you're saying here no well

[44:42]you want to specific examples of what I

[44:44]was talking about I was just trying to

[44:45]provide those right so the first one was

[44:47]Katie the second one was me I came down

[44:48]to talk to you just to talk to you get

[44:50]to know you and understand you which

[44:52]well you can understand why that that

[44:54]situ why are we going back to this

[44:55]because well I'm sorry I I just I

[44:57]thought you wanted some examples of what

[44:59]I was talking about so I was just trying

[45:00]to provide those and so we don't have to

[45:02]revisit them if if you understand what I

[45:04]was what I'm talking about and we don't

[45:06]have to revisit those at all okay so so

[45:10]it sounds like we're good with moving on

[45:11]then from I had those in definitely put

[45:14]that behind me so okay very good awesome

[45:16]that's good that's good so um you know

[45:20]and so you know we are I mean I put it

[45:22]so far behind me I applied for a job

[45:24]here well I mean that's good like yeah

[45:28]well right and and so to continue that

[45:30]forward you know it's like kitty and

[45:32]Logan were down at the wiom center

[45:34]working on the fence yeah and kitty

[45:36]asked you what your plans were for this

[45:38]just a miscommunication well right

[45:40]nothing bad happened what I'm saying is

[45:41]that there's been a consistent

[45:43]miscommunication since you've got here

[45:45]the first of the month okay well and so

[45:47]it turned into that then Katie what you

[45:50]essentially is what my understanding of

[45:53]what you're saying with Katie is that

[45:55]you know Katie purposely asked you what

[45:57]your plans were because she knew that

[45:59]you applied for the job and that is

[46:01]absolutely false that is that is the

[46:03]most false thing I've ever heard ever

[46:06]okay but it's not what I said so well

[46:09]that is how it came across and what and

[46:13]your emails and your texts and your

[46:14]responses back and forth to no I've

[46:16]never said anything like that it's not

[46:18]in any email or text Ling it's not okay

[46:21]well I'm I'm letting you know that's how

[46:22]it was received so from where what are

[46:25]you talking about so

[46:29]well Kitty could talk about it probably

[46:31]well from from the emails because I

[46:33]think after after that I think you had

[46:36]sent was it me and Logan letting us know

[46:39]that you had res sended your application

[46:42]and so I interpreted that that you know

[46:44]something that I said to you in that

[46:47]interaction you decided to send your

[46:53]application because I asked you maybe

[46:55]what you were doing for the summer

[46:57]I mean Katie I didn't um I

[47:03]didn't didn't provide a reason in that

[47:05]email first of all

[47:08]and um I never made it an issue with you

[47:12]okay

[47:13]right yeah I mean I you know I was just

[47:17]well yeah so but this is so these are

[47:19]examples of but I never made it an issue

[47:22]so I this is this what you're saying to

[47:24]me right now is

[47:27]I was this is news to me so okay that's

[47:29]yeah and that's why I'm trying to

[47:30]provide feedback okay to you is when you

[47:34]when you send these emails and stuff and

[47:36]as we established earlier you understand

[47:38]that sometimes words have meaning behind

[47:41]them is that they're interpreted a

[47:42]certain way by us but that's mean

[47:45]exactly that's meaning that other people

[47:47]are assigning to things that are not

[47:50]there though right and you're making me

[47:53]responsible for other people's thoughts

[47:56]basically well would it be fair to say

[47:58]and this is a question for you would it

[48:00]be fair to say that sometimes the way

[48:02]that you're feeling is exactly the same

[48:04]way is how we're

[48:06]feeling I mean that is so vague I don't

[48:08]know how to respond to that well in

[48:10]other words putting meaning behind words

[48:13]you know or

[48:14]correspondence I I I think sure all H

[48:17]probably I mean you know I hear what

[48:20]you're saying there so yeah and so so

[48:23]empathy right seeing through the eye of

[48:25]the other right and so if if you can

[48:29]understand how you feel in those

[48:32]situations I I my My Hope Is that you

[48:34]could understand how that could make I

[48:36]mean a I never situation completely let

[48:40]that go or truly

[48:42]did I don't I yeah I like you I don't

[48:45]it's didn't yeah and that's what like I

[48:48]said this is not a bullet point this is

[48:49]something I'm trying to like provide

[48:52]feedback to you because and this is

[48:54]where Communication in my opinion is

[48:57]it's sometimes hard and sometimes it

[48:59]doesn't feel good but sometimes we got

[49:01]to do it because if Sam doesn't know and

[49:04]I don't let him know about it he can't

[49:06]be aware of it and you know try to make

[49:08]a change for it vice versa with me if

[49:10]I'm not aware of it I can't make a

[49:12]change you know it's kind of thing oh

[49:14]that thing was you know it's kind of

[49:15]like that sliver under the skin or

[49:16]whatever if you don't if you don't like

[49:19]massage it a little bit you know or

[49:20]squeeze it the sliver will never come

[49:22]out it'll just stay in there and you

[49:24]know hurt and you know get more Sor of

[49:26]over time or whatever and so but I never

[49:28]said what you're saying so you're making

[49:31]me responsible for something I did not

[49:33]do well what I'm trying to get across is

[49:36]that sometimes what there's other

[49:39]meaning to the words that we say and

[49:41]they're interpreted by other people as

[49:44]yeah it maybe not what what was intended

[49:46]and so in this case it sounds like

[49:48]that's not what you're intending and I

[49:50]would just let you know that's how it

[49:51]was interpreted okay and so I would I

[49:54]would also okay um argue that that same

[49:58]Theory could be applied to other

[50:00]interactions that you had with Park

[50:02]Rangers in the time you've been here I

[50:05]mean what you're saying is applicable to

[50:08]everybody all the time so right which

[50:10]which as a crew that's where we come

[50:12]back to positive intent so it's

[50:16]something that well what you just said

[50:17]to me is that somebody didn't take what

[50:19]I did as positive so I mean we can flip

[50:23]this around Ryan yeah I I I I I hear

[50:26]that but okay it's positive andt until

[50:28]proven otherwise right and so um but I'm

[50:32]not getting that benefit of the out yeah

[50:35]well yeah I don't you know I see where

[50:38]you're coming from um and I may not be

[50:41]able to help you with that um but all I

[50:43]can do is provide feedback of how how

[50:46]it's feeling from our our perspective

[50:49]and I will say if you don't mind going

[50:51]back to you know that first of the month

[50:54]the the text message thing that I was

[50:56]blind decided that you interpreted it

[50:59]the way that you did because like right

[51:03]I had I I agree and I apologize to you

[51:07]thank you but um like I felt like there

[51:09]was no positive intent from your side in

[51:13]that message that I sent um because you

[51:16]know I got multiple messages from staff

[51:18]you know that you were communicating

[51:20]with him I think you know Leaf called me

[51:23]and I had a conversation with him and I

[51:25]know that you know leaf and talked to

[51:26]anyone that day I don't know what you're

[51:27]talking about either or maybe it was the

[51:29]following day but you know and I know

[51:32]you know and I didn't say anything about

[51:33]you I'd never said anything about you

[51:35]okay well you know leavea talk to me and

[51:37]and let me know that you know he he

[51:39]talked to you and reassured you that you

[51:41]oh okay I do remember this okay yeah

[51:43]that was in the welcom center that was

[51:45]days later I think um I know what you're

[51:47]talking about and so you know he on my

[51:49]behalf you know really tried to tell you

[51:51]that you know there was positive intent

[51:53]you know behind that you know I didn't

[51:55]mean anything by way really thought we

[51:57]put this to rest I we we did we did I'm

[52:00]just trying to tell you I'm just trying

[52:01]to explain to you like how be me like

[52:04]really feeling blindsided by how you I

[52:07]mean I apologize again I truly really

[52:10]put this for rest you know I well right

[52:13]and so and so some of

[52:15]the you said that maybe it felt like we

[52:17]wenum positive tent in that scenario

[52:19]right so you know 6:00 in the morning I

[52:22]didn't want to be texting you you know

[52:25]it just was a bad situation you know

[52:27]just it just yeah it I mean it seems

[52:30]like from my perspective right so I say

[52:32]assum positive intent until proven

[52:33]otherwise so the we started out the

[52:36]first of the month being proven

[52:37]otherwise and so when somebody says it's

[52:40]over I just put a stick in it it's all

[52:42]it's all good it's behind me right it's

[52:45]really hard to be like is it really

[52:47]because similar things are happening in

[52:51]regards to that exact same thing over

[52:54]and over again every other week with

[52:55]somebody else right and so it can be

[52:58]interpreted as that okay but I'm going

[53:00]to need examples because I'm I've tried

[53:02]to provide those have you yeah quite a

[53:05]few of them and I got lots of emails and

[53:07]text messages I'm trying to relay how

[53:09]that could come across um the until

[53:12]proven otherwise thing that was the very

[53:14]first interaction we had with Katie so

[53:16]yes it was so you can't just be like

[53:19]well it's all over I learned from then

[53:21]I'm going to I learned from

[53:23]it yeah I mean maybe I I mean did okay

[53:27]well assume postive intent with me

[53:28]please because I truly well like I said

[53:31]we we're trying right and then once

[53:35]until proven otherwise and it's it's

[53:37]hard

[53:38]to then say well it's always sunny you

[53:41]know it's like it's hard to put to rest

[53:44]I I liked Katie so much I applied for a

[53:46]job here like I

[53:48]literally right I don't right yeah and I

[53:52]thought it was great that you apply for

[53:53]a job and yeah okay thank you and I

[53:58]I just don't see the issue I guess okay

[54:00]and that's and that's all I'm I'm trying

[54:01]to do is just I'm trying to explain of

[54:04]how

[54:05]it how some of these things may come

[54:08]across and I think it relates back to

[54:11]probably the initial I feel like that

[54:14]just caus a spiral that never stops

[54:16]right right and you know we agreed to do

[54:18]a reset right and and but the just

[54:23]providing feedback to you is that like I

[54:25]thought we had to reset then similar

[54:27]issues were arising you know and so it

[54:30]seemed like I'm asking you about them

[54:32]well and yeah I I've tried to provide

[54:36]examples you know throughout the

[54:37]conversation that we've had and like you

[54:40]said you didn't want to revisit those

[54:41]and so I don't really want to revisit

[54:43]each one of those instances you know but

[54:47]um my goal through the conversation is

[54:49]to talk to you and let you know what's

[54:51]my perspective on it and you know what

[54:54]my expectations as a park manager is

[54:56]moving forward oh you won't have to

[54:57]worry about emails from me I understand

[55:00]that that's the big issue

[55:02]here well yeah and so it's you know the

[55:05]nonwork related emails and texts that's

[55:08]that's one of them being able to work

[55:09]with all the staff um never had a poor

[55:13]interaction with any Ranger here that's

[55:14]good that's good that's good um you know

[55:17]and supporting the you know the

[55:19]the the the agency goals as well as the

[55:22]crew goals and it's very polite the

[55:25]guests like me the volunteers like me um

[55:30]every interaction I've had with the

[55:31]ranger has been positive minus the text

[55:33]message with you KD that I can think of

[55:35]I cannot think of a situation where um

[55:38]you know I think we're good I definitely

[55:40]support the goals of the park system

[55:43]good and then the think the other bullet

[55:46]point was that you know tickets at award

[55:48]so um and that that would be all of us

[55:51]that Logan include and all that right so

[55:54]all the Rangers you got to take us for

[55:55]our wood always have okay well that

[55:57]sounds good well it sounded like earlier

[55:59]that maybe you would do everybody but

[56:01]Logan but so I'm glad we're on the same

[56:03]page with that now

[56:05]so no well well good so just so you know

[56:09]um you know I appreciate you talking

[56:12]with us and being open to the

[56:13]conversation sometimes these

[56:15]conversations they they not they suck

[56:17]right and but here's the deal is that I

[56:20]figure unless I talk to it I just want

[56:22]to be treated fairly unless I talk to it

[56:24]you have no way of knowing of any of the

[56:27]stuff that I'm talking about I can't

[56:29]assume that you know any of this right

[56:31]and so um that's really why I want to

[56:34]talk with you because it gives you it

[56:35]gives you an opportunity to say okay we

[56:38]had a conversation I understand I may

[56:41]not fully agree with everything Ryan

[56:43]said right and that's that's totally

[56:45]okay you know like that's that's

[56:48]sometimes between uh supervisor and an

[56:51]employee there's disagreements on you

[56:53]know where things align and stuff like

[56:55]that right and all I could do is try to

[56:59]articulate my observations and where I'm

[57:01]at and what my perspective is and you

[57:04]know kind of what the Ryan I think you

[57:06]know that I'm trying to

[57:09]um I am here with the best intent yeah

[57:13]and I'm here to do a very good job and

[57:17]I'm not here to cause problems for you

[57:18]guys that's not why I'm here good you

[57:21]know that's that's good and so you know

[57:24]just you know support support members of

[57:26]the crew support each other and you know

[57:29]I think keep up the like like I said if

[57:31]there's specific employee related

[57:33]matters please yeah absolutely please

[57:35]come to me about it you know it's not

[57:37]really Logan's thing you know and if you

[57:41]if you're willing I I'd be willing to

[57:43]like talk through some stuff you know if

[57:44]if that's something you know if you do

[57:47]have an issue that we could talk through

[57:49]and very open to discussions with having

[57:52]open conversation about it you know yes

[57:54]um and so that that good right and so

[57:57]like you said I sincerely am open to

[57:59]that it's all good me as well right and

[58:01]so like I do like I I want to see your

[58:05]email changed my opinion okay it was a

[58:07]big deal to me I it really was you know

[58:11]I want to see you be successful too like

[58:12]I said you like the parks you want to be

[58:14]involved in the Parks right and the you

[58:18]know the

[58:19]best a big role that I play in general

[58:22]at work is helping people be successful

[58:25]and whatever is that they want to do

[58:27]whether that be a ranger that wants to

[58:28]be a director whether that be a park

[58:30]host that wants to be a park ranger

[58:33]assistant someday whatever that might be

[58:35]obviously within reason you know I can't

[58:38]like uh you know doctor paperwork or

[58:41]anything like that but you know I can

[58:43]give people skills and hopefully provide

[58:46]perspective that helps steer them in the

[58:49]direction that they would like to go so

[58:51]like with Rangers it's providing

[58:53]additional training competencies getting

[58:55]them involved in you know Regional or

[58:57]OPD program and with Park host I mean so

[59:01]I just I'm going to say

[59:03]this I genuinely wanted to have a future

[59:06]here at Honeyman but I don't think

[59:08]that's possible anymore and I just want

[59:09]to get my time over with yeah I wish

[59:12]that things had been different I do but

[59:16]they're not so you know I love what

[59:20]you're saying yeah and I wish that was a

[59:22]future that we had right right um I'm

[59:26]just going to do my job this month and

[59:27]move on well and so I mean so I would

[59:31]say too is that like you don't have to

[59:34]feel obligated to stay like in other

[59:37]words if if you in if you are in a place

[59:42]where it doesn't feel right for you I

[59:45]would never expect you or want you to

[59:49]stay in a situation like that I

[59:52]understand you know for you like as like

[59:55]a person right and I life is too short

[59:59]MH to do things you know if if if

[60:04]because my whole goal

[60:07]of the I really don't see us having an

[60:10]issue month March is going to just you

[60:13]know it's going to be fine okay my goal

[60:16]with the crew and volunteers that

[60:17]everybody wakes up in the morning looks

[60:19]forward to going to work and interacting

[60:21]with each other and enjoying the stuff

[60:23]they're doing but if like at any time

[60:27]like don't feel obligated like like if

[60:30]there's some kind of an issue I will

[60:31]come talk to you okay but like yeah so

[60:34]like and but don't feel that you are

[60:37]required or obligated to stay in any way

[60:40]like if you're feeling a certain way I

[60:43]understand I appreciate though feelings

[60:45]you know because sometimes that doesn't

[60:48]I've had I've had jobs didn't work out

[60:50]you know and that's just part of life

[60:52]sometimes right sometimes that it

[60:53]happens and um so you know also I enjoy

[60:56]what I'm doing you know that too that's

[60:58]like it's not you know don't feel

[61:01]obligated anyway like we can I don't

[61:04]feel obligated I'm here by

[61:07]choice all right uh any clarification or

[61:10]anything we talked about no I appreciate

[61:13]the discussion okay well I appreciate

[61:15]you talking with us and meeting with us

[61:16]and I really do appreciate the hopping

[61:18]into doing yts and learning another role

[61:20]and you know and so I think that's good

[61:23]it's actually not as bad as I thought it

[61:24]would be that's good for you tugman

[61:26]didn't you yeah that's good for you yeah

[61:28]that's good yeah you know each place a

[61:31]littleit different each Ys a little you

[61:33]know you kind of get a rhythm and stuff

[61:35]like that but it is important work that

[61:37]you're doing you know because when

[61:40]people show up for their yts yeah you

[61:42]know they're dirty you know like we I

[61:46]think of it feel that you know if not I

[61:48]think of it

[61:50]where these campsites have I mean they

[61:53]have generations of memories to so I

[61:56]think about stuff like that MH yeah yeah

[61:59]you know it is

[62:03]important all right well um thank you

[62:07]Ryan yeah hey thank you appreciate

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